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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 10, 2010 6:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

When did JG's physical decline become obvious ?
Was it a scenario where the spring tour ended , and when you saw him a few months later during the summer it was a shock ?
Was it over a particular year , if the decline was a slower process ?
When did his voice change into , Fozzie Bear choking on a hot dog ? ( copyright dire? )
Thanks .

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 10, 2010 7:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

I stopped in 82, but only saw a handful from 81 and 82. I'd say I didn't, at the time, think too much of the change...for me it was gradual over the entire period, 74-82, and esp with the venues/crowds (larger, etc.) that turned me away. I was bringing binos to the last three outside shows I saw, so Jerry could've been a cardbd cutout for all I knew!

So, I guess I am supporting BDL above...

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 10, 2010 9:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

In 1984 he looked pretty freaky. It was that chin resting thing that really got to me though. I remember me and my friends doing the gallows humor bit about how long would it be. Eeeww. Only thing more fun than watching Jerry morph, was doing it in the Ventura Rodeo Pit, excuse me, that's the Ventura County Fairgrounds.

OTOH, I don't have to remember that. Thanks to the miracles of technology, I get to remember him like Mr. Perky in the retirement movie.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Nov 10, 2010 7:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

I hear it start to happen in 1983, but 1984 is when Garcia really started to let it all hang out, not alot of photos of Garcia from 1983 around, so hard to say about the weight, the pic of him at Frost 83, he looks more like the 82 greybeard than the 84 dragon chasin' troll...84-85-86 might be his worst vocal period...through this, Garcia's playing could be quite inspired, at times sloppy and he wizzed through some of his tunes to the detriment of the proper dead groove being achieved, i.e. eyes of the world...

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Poster: billydlions Date: Nov 10, 2010 7:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

The Jerry site has lots of pictures. See 3/11/83 to see how Jerry looked at that time.

http://www.thejerrysite.com/shows/years/1983

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Poster: drspark61 Date: Nov 10, 2010 7:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

It was obvious by spring tour 1983. He went from being a little overweight to being obese. And green. By summer tour 1984 he was looking like a well-fed homeless person.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Nov 10, 2010 8:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

I saw my last East Coast show MSG 09/21/82 and Jerry was just fine. I saw my first West Coast show Ventura July 1984 and Jerry looked like a bloated corpse. A bloated corpse in a long sleeve black shirt, even though it was about 112 degrees at those shows ...

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Poster: ducats Date: Nov 11, 2010 2:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

i got on the bus in 81. the biggest change was def over the 82 holidays - meaning in between fall (im east coast) tour 82 and spring of 83 he GREW substantially

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Nov 11, 2010 8:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

The folks close to the band "gans, ect" say that the Ventura 1983 shows were when the red flags and performance change started to take place. Not sure if that is accurate.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Nov 11, 2010 8:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

I'd venture to say there was some decline in playing ability even earlier- his hands have a bad case of the shakes as early as 1980. ( see the videos on youtube for proof.)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 11, 2010 10:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

Can I vote on "most depressing thread ever"?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 11, 2010 10:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

What, more depressing than the I-Suck threads?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 11, 2010 10:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

rob , is there any remembrance today of the 11th hour , the 11th day , ect. from WW1 in GB ?
I know that there is a Remembrance day in May(?) , but is there any specific memorials on this day ?
Thanks

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 11, 2010 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

Still called Armistice Day in the UK?

Oh, and Rob, remember it's the day my husband's grandparents got married, a few years before Armistice Day :) Can I call it their anniversary *before* they got married?!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 11, 2010 11:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

How can there be an anniversary of something that hasn't happened yet?

Is that a gentle yank on the chain I detect?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 11, 2010 11:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

With it being 11/11 today, seemed an opening to revive that pointless controversy :)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 11, 2010 10:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

I don't know what the May date might be that you're thinking of, but here in Britain, in common with many other countries, we observe two minutes silence in memory of those who served and sacrificed in time of war, both military and civilian, at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, the date and time of the Armistice that concluded the First World War (so also known as Armistice Day for that reason). Further observances take place in churches on the closest Sunday to Remembrance Day (the 14th this year).

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 11, 2010 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

Careful, all this talk of the World Wars is likely to bring out our favorite French poster.

Unless, of course, they are busy celebrating their country's own memorial day celebrations. If I recall last year they found some dude named Hans in a Volkswagen and gave him their housekeys.


This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2010-11-11 20:57:25

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 11, 2010 8:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

All this makes me think of French I in HS, in which we constantly recited a little interaction between "Pierre" and his sister "Nicole", which concerned them asking their parents about eating out on the town...

You can imagine what happend to "Demandez", "toute suite", "mange", "Pierre", and poor "Nicole" by the time we freshmen were done with it...the best thing about taking French was that if you mumbled, as if while chewing, 50% of the time the instructor would give you credit for the right answer.

Ah, last thing I heard about skies, she'd run off with BD, as such sparks flew they knew there could never be another, one, for the other...something like that anyhow.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 11, 2010 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

True. Most depressing Dead-related thread, how about?
Threads about Jerry's troubles do not cheer me up.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 11, 2010 6:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

Immediate psychic intervention required! Watch 30 minutes of the GD movie and call me in the morning.

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Poster: billydlions Date: Nov 10, 2010 6:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

I didn't see shows until 1986 but from everything that I've read (and seen)the first shows of 1983 was when it became noticable. Take a look at the Letterman interview in 1982 or Dan Snyder from 1981 and Jerry still looks pretty good. But 1983 was the year he got fat and his skin tone changed (and also the period where he started looking down when he played)

I think Fozzie comes from Strat.

This post was modified by billydlions on 2010-11-11 02:57:37

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Nov 11, 2010 5:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

I started listening to the Dead in 1982, and at the time the most recent pics I had seen of Jerry were probably those that came with Dead Set. At my first show (10/8/83) I had a fairly good vantage point and clearly remember thinking he was grayer and heavier than I expected. When the Dead came back down the east coast in the spring of '84, he seemed to look even worse- gray skin, bloated, looking straight down, etc.

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Nov 10, 2010 7:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

Spring Tour 1984.
I toured all through those years and it really became evident in the Spring Tour of 1984 that the FatMan had left the Youthful Years behind him. The Fall tour of 1983 had its up and down moments, but the St. Stephen resurrection and some great Help>Slip>Franklins that year gave some hope. But I had tickets to every show of that east coast Spring Tour in 84 and you could hear the cracking in the voice and see the dirty overweight Garcia slumbering through the motions. No Bueno! It was Downhill from Here and the shows were never as consistantly good as in 81 and 82...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 10, 2010 8:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

I agree re spring of '84 BUT had a hell of a good time at many summer shows - Red Rocks, Greeks, Ventura.

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Nov 10, 2010 7:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Question for those who saw shows '81 - '84

Yup. In spring 84, Jerry's weight had pretty much doubled, or so it looked.